* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] UM, IT IS NOW 5:00 PM AND SO I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER, UH, THE MEETING FOR THE JEFFERSON PARISH ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE ROLL CALL IKA, AKA PRESENT FRANK YOUNG, PRESENT FORM. THANK YOU. UM, WERE THERE, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO YOU, GINA? NO. OKAY. ANYONE WANTING TO SPEAK FROM THE FLOOR FOR TWO MINUTES? OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE INTO THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE SELECTION OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL TO REVIEW ACTIONS BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN. THIS IS IN AN EFFORT TO SECURE AS MANY RESUMES OR, UM, DESIRES TO UNDERTAKE THIS ENGAGEMENT. WE REVIEWED, I REVIEWED, UH, UH, ATTORNEYS WHO WERE PRIMARILY CONCENTRATING IN THE AREAS OF PROFESSIONALISM AND ETHICS. UH, SINCE THAT IS PART OF THIS REVIEW ANALYSIS, I'LL FIRST TELL YOU THE, THE COUNSEL WE CONTACTED. THEN YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU A LIST OF RESUMES THAT WE WILL GO THROUGH INDIVIDUALLY. UH, BUT THOSE FIRMS THAT I SPOKE TO FIRST, THE FIRST, UM, CONTACT THAT I ATTEMPTED TO MAKE WAS, UH, HENRY SKIP PHILLIPS AT TAYLOR PORTER. MR. PHILLIPS HAS BEEN A, A LONGSTANDING, UH, ATTORNEY, A PARTNER AT TAYLOR PORTER, WHICH IS A LARGE LAW FIRM OUT OF BATON ROUGE. HE, IN FACT, UM, HAS TAUGHT ON THE AREA OF ETHICS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, HAS REPRESENTED LSU AMONG OTHERS. HE RESPONDED TO MY INQUIRY, UNFORTUNATELY, AND INDICATED THAT HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THE ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE HE IS NOW SEMI-RETIRED AND NOT WILLING TO UNDERTAKE THE ENGAGEMENT. I CONTACTED A, ANOTHER ATTORNEY BY THE NAME OF JAMES BROWN, WHO IS A, A FREQUENT LECTURER IN THE AREA OF ETHICS. HE IS AT A LAW FIRM NAMED LISKO AND LEWIS. ALL OF THE ATTORNEYS THAT I'M, I'M MENTIONING TO YOU ARE, ARE RATED OF THEIR HI AS, UH, THE HIGHEST IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY. MR. BROWN INDICATED THAT HE DID A CONFLICTS CHECK AND THAT THERE WAS A SOFT CONFLICT THAT HE WOULD DECLINE THE ENGAGEMENT. I CONTACTED DEUTSCHE CARRIGAN, ANOTHER LARGE LAW FIRM IN NEW ORLEANS, UH, PARTICULARLY A PARTNER BY THE NAME OF BEVERLY DELAN. MR. DELAN ORIGINALLY WAS, UH, INDICATED SOME INTEREST, BUT WOULD HAVE TO RUN IT THROUGH THEIR CONFLICTS, UH, CHECK THEIR CONFLICTS, CHECK CAME BACK THAT SHE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO UNDERTAKE THE ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE OF THE CONFLICTS THAT THEY HAD. I CONTACTED RICHARD LEAF OF THE, UH, LEAF GIBBS LAW FIRM, MR. LEAF, UH, AND IN FACT IS THE ONLY ATTORNEY ON THIS WHOLE LIST THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY. MR. LEAF WAS FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE BAR ASSOCIATION, AND IT WAS INVOLVED SIGNIFICANTLY IN, IN ETHIC, ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS WITH THE BARNES, THE SUPREME COURT. HE ALSO DECLINED THE ENGAGEMENT. SO LET ME TELL YOU THE ONES THAT I DID GET RESPONSES BACK FROM. AND, UH, THE FIRST ONE YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS BILLY GIBBONS. MR. GIBBONS IS A PARTNER IN THE LAW FIRM OF SHANIK EVANS MCGI AND MCG MCGON. HE IS FORMERLY A UNITED STATES, UH, ASSISTANT ATTOR, UH, US ATTORNEY FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF LOUISIANA. HE ALSO WAS A LAW CLERK TO THE HONORABLE EDITH BROWN CLEMENT IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT. HE WENT TO UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA FOR LAW SCHOOL, ALSO RECEIVED HIS BACHELOR, UH, FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA. HE IS AN AV PREEMINENT PEER RATING, AND THAT'S MARTINDALE HUBBLE IS THE ATTORNEY'S, UH, RATING SYSTEM FOR THE BEST QUALIFIED. IT'S A PEER RATED SYSTEM, AND HE IS AV PREEMINENT, MEANING HE IS OF THE HIGHEST CALIBER, UH, OF AN ATTORNEY. HE'S BEEN A MEMBER OF THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF LOUISIANA LAWYER DISCIPLINARY COMMITTEE FROM 2022 TO THE PRESENT. HE HAS ALSO, UH, RECEIVED A METROPOLITAN CRIME COMMISSION EXCELLENCE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AWARD. UH, HE DID AGREE THAT HE WOULD ACCEPT THE ENGAGEMENT AT THE STATE RATE. KEEP IN MIND THAT THE FIRST QUESTION I ASK EVERYBODY THAT I SPOKE TO IS NOT ONLY WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE ENGAGEMENT, BUT WILL YOU CONSIDER THE ENGAGEMENT AT THE STATE RATE THAT, THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO PAY? AND ALL OF THE COUNSEL THAT I SPOKE TO DID SAY THAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT THE ENGAGEMENT AT THE STATE RATE, WHICH QUITE CANDIDLY IS PROBABLY 200 TO $300 OR MORE PER HOUR, LESS THAN THEIR REGULAR RATE. SO IT, I, I WAS COMFORTED IN KNOWING THAT THE SECOND PERSON THAT DID, UH, OFFER TO ACCEPT THE ENGAGEMENT IS ALEX PERINE. HE IS AN ATTORNEY IN COVINGTON, LOUISIANA. UH, I WAS HOPING TO GET A CV, BUT I DID PULL OFF FROM HIS WEBSITE HIS BACKGROUND. HE RECEIVED HIS JD FROM LSU, AND PARTICULARLY HE WAS EDITOR IN CHIEF OF THE LAW REVIEW, WHICH IS A VERY PROMINENT POSITION TO HAVE. YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE TOP 10% OF YOUR CLASS TO EVEN BE CONSIDERED FOR LAW REVIEW. AND THEN HE WAS EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, WHICH IS PRESTIGIOUS HONOR IN 1987 TO 88. HE IS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE ORDER OF THE COURT, UH, THE COIF, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST, UH, MEMBER [00:05:01] THAT YOU COULD BE IN TERMS OF YOUR ACADEMIC STANDING IN HIS LSU LAW CLASS. HE IS ALSO ENGAGED IN THE FIELD OF ETHICS AND PROFESSIONAL, UM, DISCIPLINE. THE THIRD COUNCIL IS, AND IT KIND OF, I, I TRIED TO PRINT THIS ONE FOUR TIMES FROM THEIR WEBSITE. IT'S PRETTY VOLUMINOUS, BUT IT KEPT CUTTING OFF ON THE LEFT. I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS USER ERROR, WHAT, BUT JIM CLARY, UH, OF THE CLARY SOEN NEAL LAW FIRM. YOU'LL SEE HE HAS TWO PAGES. AND THE THIRD PAGE IS, UH, MR. NEIL, WHO IS CASEY NEIL, WHO IS ALSO THE FIRM THAT WOULD BE WORKING WITH MR. CLARY, MR. CARY'S PRACTICE SINCE 1983. SO HE'S BEEN IN PRACTICE FOR OVER 40 YEARS. HE HAS REPRESENTED IN HIS PRACTICE LAWYERS, DOCTORS, NURSES IN PROFESSIONAL MATTERS INVOLVING HEARINGS AND GOVERNING BOARDS. SO HE IS VERY COMFORTABLE IN THIS ARENA. UH, IN ADDITION, UH, MR. NEIL HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS COUNSEL AND REPRESENTATIONS FOR PROFESSIONALS FACING ADMISSIONS TO, IN THEIR GOVERNING BOARD OR DISCIPLINARY INQUIRIES AFFECTING THEIR LICENSE LICENSURE. HE'S, UM, HE IS ALSO WORKED WITH THE, UH, LSU, UH, THE LOUISIANA STATE BOARD OF MEDICAL EXAMINERS ON DISCIPLINARY MATTERS, AS WELL AS THE LOUISIANA STATE BOARD OF NURSING AND PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS. SO I BELIEVE, UH, THEY HAVE HIGH QUALIFICATIONS. UH, IN THE EVENT THAT THEY WERE SELECTED, THEY ALSO AGREED TO DO IT AT THE STATE RATE. AND THE FINAL RESUME, WHICH IS A VERY LENGTHY RESUME, UH, WHICH IS VERY, VERY NICE, UH, IS STEVEN J. HERMAN. MR. HERMAN WORKS CURRENTLY AT THE LAW FIRM OF FISHMAN HAYGOOD. UH, THEY ARE AN, A NATIONAL FIRM. HE IS SPECIAL COUNSEL SINCE 2024. SO HE BEGAN AS SPECIAL COUNSEL THIS YEAR. PRIOR TO THAT TIME, HE WAS AT HERMAN HERMAN KATZ AND CAR CO. HERMAN HERMAN AND KATZ, WHICH IS A LARGE LAW FIRM. THEY PRIMARILY CONCENTRATED EN MASS TORT, UH, MULTI-DISTRICT LITIGATION, SO VERY COMPLEX LITIGATION. MR. UH, HERMAN WENT TO DARTMOUTH COLLEGE, RECEIVED A A DEGREE IN ENGLISH, RECEIVED, UH, UH, THAT DEGREE IN HONORS. HE WENT TO TULANE UNIVERSITY FOR LAW SCHOOL WHERE HE RE GRADUATED MAGNA C*M LAUDE IN THE TOP 10%. AND ALSO HIS ORDER OF THE KO. HE TEACHES AT TULANE UNIVERSITY AS AN ADJUNCT PROFESSOR, AS WELL AS LOYOLA UNIVERSITY AS AN ADJUNCT PROFESSOR, BOTH FIRST AT TULANE IN ADVANCED CIVIL PROCEDURE AND COMPLEX LITIGATION, AND AT LOYOLA UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW IN ADVANCED TORT SEMINARS. HE IS, HE WAS ON THE HEARING COMMITTEE OF THE DISCIPLINARY BOARD FOR 2008 THROUGH 2010, AND HE WAS CHAIRMAN OF A HEARING COMMITTEE AT THE DISCIPLINARY BOARD FROM 2010 THROUGH 2013. HE HAS WORKED WITH THE LOUISIANA SUPREME COURT ON RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT FOR CLASS ACTION, MASS TORTS AND COMPLEX LITIGATION FROM 2015 TO THE PRESENT. AND HE IS ON THE LSBA RULES PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT COMMITTEE FROM 2016 THROUGH THE PRESENT. HE IS ALSO BACK IN HIS SPEECHES AND PAPERS. HE SPEAKS FREQUENTLY ON THE AREAS OF AVOIDING ETHICAL PITFALLS, ETHICS ISSUES, AND LI LITIGATION ETHICS AND PROFESSIONALISM, ETHICS AND PROFESSIONALISM, BOTH IN, UH, CIVIL LITIGATION AND MASS MULTI-DISTRICT LITIGATION, WHICH IS THE COMPLEX LITIGATION. AND HE CAN, ONE OF THE INTERESTING TOPICS HE SPOKE OF WITH ETHICS AND IMPORTANT RECENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT IMPACT LITIGATORS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE V, WHICH MEANS BOTH DEFENDANTS AND PLAINTIFFS. SO IT WAS A, AN INTERESTING ISSUE THAT HE SPOKE OF. HE HAS SPOKEN AT THE, UM, AMERICAN ATTORNEY'S, UH, ANNUAL CONVENTION. HE HAS SPOKEN AT THE, UH, LOUISIANA BAR ASSOCIATION AND AT THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION. I WILL NOTE THE ONLY ISSUE THAT HAS RISEN WITH ANY OF THESE COUNSEL, MR. HERMAN, WAS KIND ENOUGH TO LET US KNOW THAT HIS DAUGHTER IS A ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY AT THE JEFFERSON PARISH DA'S OFFICE, WHICH IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE, UM, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S REVIEW. IT IS A STATE AGENCY, BUT HE DID LET US KNOW THAT HE ALSO, HIS LAW FIRM REPRESENTS THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, THE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU, AND HUMAN HEALTH SERVICES AUTHORITY, NONE OF WHICH I BELIEVE ARE UNDER THE, UM, UNDER JEFFERSON PARISH. BUT HE WANTED IN FULL DISCLOSURE TO LET US KNOW THAT, UH, THESE ARE THE FOUR FIRMS AND INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE CONSISTENTLY SAID THEY WOULD UNDERTAKE THE ENGAGEMENT. WE DID DISCUSS THAT THE ENGAGEMENT WOULD BE, WOULD HAVE SOME PROFILE TO IT THERE, IT WOULD BE PUBLIC. UH, THEIR REPORTS WOULD BE ISSUED PUBLICLY, AND THEY WERE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND WERE WILLING TO DO IT. SO ANY OR ALL OF THESE FOUR WOULD [00:10:01] BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO PRESENT TO THE ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE COMMISSION FOR THEIR DETERMINATION IN THE EVENT THAT YOU SELECT MORE THAN ONE FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING. MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THEY WOULD COME TO THE ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE COMMISSION TO BE PERSONALLY VETTED THROUGH QUESTIONING BY THE COMMISSION, AND THERE WOULD BE A COMFORT LEVEL FROM THE COMMISSION THAT THE ENGAGEMENT WOULD BE DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE OUTLINE. AND THOSE ARE ALL THE, UM, THE NAMES THAT WE HAVE. SO THE TWO THAT WE DO NOT HAVE CVS FOR YES. IS THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY FAILED TO SUBMIT? ALEX PERINE JUST FAILED TO SEND IT TO US. I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I TALKED TO HIM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. HE WAS GONNA GET IT TO, I, I THINK IT JUST SLIPPED THROUGH THE, THE CRACKS PROBABLY. UH, MR. CLARY CALLED ME BACK AND SAID PROBABLY MORE WAS ON HIS WEBSITE THAN WAS IN A CV. SO THAT'S WHY HE REFERRED ME TO THE WEBSITE. OKAY. UH, IT SEEMED VERY PROFESSIONAL. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT 30 MINUTES. AGAIN, OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE PRESENTED YOU, OTHER THAN KNOWING THEIR PROFESSIONAL REPUTATIONS, UH, HAVE HEARING THEM IN, UH, PROFESSIONAL SETTINGS AND SEMINARS AND DISCUSSIONS, I DO NOT KNOW THEM PERSONALLY. UH, SO I, I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR THAT THERE IS NO FAVORITISM BEING SHOWN TO ANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS. IN FACT, I KNEW NONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT I CONTACTED, BUT I, I SOUGHT TO SEEK PEOPLE IN PROFESSIONALISM AND IN ETHICS, AND NOT IN THE GENERAL POPULATION OF ATTORNEYS. THE ONLY ONE I DIDN'T KNOW WAS RICHARD LEAF. AND AGAIN, HE WAS, HE WAS VERY QUICK TO SAY, NO, THANK YOU, BUT I APPRECIATE THE CALL. BUT WE DO, WE HAVE NO PROFESSIONAL ENGAGEMENT WHATSOEVER WITH ANY OF THESE COUNSEL, NOR DO THEY HAVE ANY PROFESSIONAL ENGAGEMENT, I'M TOLD WITH THE PARISH OF JEFFERSON, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY FIRST QUESTIONS THAT THERE WOULD BE NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR CONSIDERED CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AND AGAIN, THAT WILL BE A QUESTION TO BE ASKED AT THE FINAL DECISION MAKING, UH, MEETING. BUT THEY CONFIRMED TO ME THAT THERE IS NO ISSUE AND THAT THEY DO NOT REPRESENT THE PARISH OR ANY AGENCY ON THEIR BEHALF AT THIS POINT. SO THAT'S HOW YOU STARTED WITH THE LIST, IS JUST TO SEEK THOSE SPECIFIC WITH PROFESSIONALISM, ETHICS. EXACTLY. BECAUSE I THOUGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. UH, TO A LARGE EXTENT, AND, AND THIS IS AN ETHICS COMMISSION RATHER THAN SEEKING, AND THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETENT COUNSEL IN THE METROPOLITAN AREA, BUT JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE COMPETENT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ENGAGE AND ENGAGE SUCCESSFULLY IN THIS ARENA. SO THAT'S WHY I LIMITED IT TO THIS AREA AND THOSE ATTORNEYS THAT HAVE A REPUTATION IN THIS AREA. ANY THOUGHTS? THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS IF MS. CHATLINE KNOWS, UH, OF ANY REASON WHY ANY OF THESE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO BE OR CONFLICTED OR NO. OKAY. I ALSO DO THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, UM, FOR WHOEVER WE BRING FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION, THAT THERE'S NO CONFLICT WITH COMMISSIONERS AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO BIAS IN ANY WAY. I, I AND I, I PURPOSELY HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH MA MS. CHATLINE ABOUT THIS LIST. MM-HMM . SO, UM, AGAIN, SHE'S NOD AT HER HEAD NO, BUT FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT SHE DOES NOT HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH ANY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, I'M KIND OF GONNA BE LIKE, JERRY, I KNOW ALEX PERISHING FROM A MILLION YEARS AGO. MM-HMM . AND THE REST OF THE PEOPLE, I'M CERTAIN I'VE HEARD THEM SPEAK. I'M CERTAIN LIKE, LIKE I'M FAMILIAR WITH EVERY FIRM HE MENTIONED. YEAH. UM, SO YEAH, UH, FISH, IF THEY BUMP INTO ME, I'M NOT LIKELY TO KNOW WHO THEY'RE, SO, UM, SHANIK EVANS MCGOO AND MCGEEHAN HAS A HA HAS HIGH PROFILE IN LITIGATION AS, AS A LAW FIRM. FISHMAN HAYGOOD, UH, IS A VERY LARGE LAW FIRM. THEY, THEY PRIMARILY CONCENTRATE IN, IN EMPLOYMENT LAW AS FAR AS I KNOW, BUT THEY HAVE BRANCHED OUT INTO CORPORATE LAW AS WELL. THEY'RE A NATIONAL FIRM. UM, CL SUVA IS A, A REGIONAL FIRM OUT OF BATON ROUGE. I PURPOSELY DID NOT SEEK COUNSEL IN JEFFERSON PARISH, UM, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST THING TO DO, RATHER THAN SEEK ATTORNEYS IN JEFFERSON PARISH. THERE WAS ONE OTHER THAT I, I, UH, LOOKED AT THAT DID HAVE A GOOD REPUTATION. HIS NAME WAS LESLIE SCHIFF. I WILL SAY THAT MR. SCHIFF WAS, COUNT WAS PARTNERS WITH STEVE SCHEKMAN, WHO WAS THE ORIGINAL ATTORNEY FOR THE COMMISSION UNTIL HIS RETIREMENT MM-HMM . IN, IN ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AGO. SO I DID NOT CONTACT HIM BECAUSE I, I JUST SAW THAT THE CONNECTION TO THE, THE COMMISSION MIGHT RAISE SOME CONCERNS AS TO HOW THE REPORT WAS ISSUED. SO I WANTED TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE NO ISSUES THAT ANYONE COULD QUESTION THE INTEGRITY OF THE REPORT. [00:15:03] THE ONLY, UM, THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAVE, WELL, IT'S NOT EVEN A CONCERN. I FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD, EVERYONE, ASIDE FROM ALEX, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR ME TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION RIGHT. AFTER REVIEWING THE OTHER THREE, UM, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THEY HAVE THE BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE TO PROVIDE THAT LENS IN THIS, IN THIS PROCESS. AND IT'S NOT THAT PEG GREEN DOESN'T, I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY THAT I'M COMFORTABLE MOVING THAT FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION. SO I DON'T, SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE OTHER THREE BEING PRESENTED TO THE I AM YES. BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO US. UH, WELL, UH, IN TRANSPARENCY, I, I DON'T KNOW STEVEN HERMAN. I KNOW THAT HIS WIFE WAS A CRIMINAL COURT JUDGE IN ORLEANS PARISH. SHE HAS SINCE ASCENDED TO SOME GREATER BENCH. UH, SHE'S ON THE FOURTH CIRCUIT AT THIS TIME TO MAKE. OKAY. AND, UM, I KNOW HER LAW CLERK, UH, FROM TULANE, I MEAN FROM, UH, WHEN SHE WORKED ON TULANE AVENUE, UH, AT, AT, I'M VERY GOOD FRIENDS WITH HER LAW CLERK, BUT, UH, OR HER LATE HUSBAND ACTUALLY. BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T, I, I'M NOT, I CAN BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL. I DON'T KNOW STEVEN HERMAN, I'M JUST DISCLOSING THAT I THINK THAT'S A, A GOOD DISCLOSURE TO HAVE. AND I, I THINK PERHAPS IF, IF HE IS ON THE LIST, ULTIMATELY, THAT THE TWO OF YOU DECIDE THAT THAT DISCUSSION CAN BE DISCUSSED TRANSPARENTLY AT THE NEXT MEETING AND, AND VETTED TO FEEL THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE A COMFORT LEVEL, BOTH HIM AND THE COMMISSION. MM-HMM . YEAH, FOR SURE. BUT WE'LL NEED A MOTION FOR Y'ALL TO, IF, IF THAT'S THE MOTION, YOU'LL NEED TO, I KNOW IT'S JUST TWO OF YOU, BUT WE'LL STILL NEED A OFFICIALLY AN A MOTION TO, AND THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, THE LAW FIRM OF CLARY SOEN, NEIL, JAMES CLARY, STEVEN HERMAN, AND FISHMAN HAYGOOD. AND BILLY GIBBONS IS SHA EVANS. THE ONLY ONE IS EXCLUDED FROM THERE WAS, THAT WOULD BE ALEX PERING, JUST BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF INFORMATION. NOT FOR LACK OF QUA QUALIFICATIONS, BUT LACK OF, CORRECT. I CAN'T OF MATERIAL TO REVIEW. I CAN, THAT'S ATTORNEY, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. I WILL, UH, THEN I GUESS MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UH, THE FOLLOWING NAMES RATHER THAN THE LAW FIRMS. YES. UH, BILLY GIBBONS, JIM CLARY. NEIL AND HERMAN. YES. A SECOND. THEN I ASSUME IT'S UNANIMOUS. . UH, AGAIN, AT THE NEXT MEETING, AT THE COMMISSION MEETING, SINCE THESE ARE BEING PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION, THE COM, WE WILL INVITE THEM TO COME TO THE COMMISSION. THE COMMISSION WILL INTERVIEW THEM, UH, OPENLY, AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL MAKE A DETERMINATION. WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST IS EACH COMMISSION WILL HAVE A, A SHEET THAT YOU CAN FILL OUT ABOUT THEM. YOU'LL ASSEMBLE THEM, AND, AND THEN, UH, USUALLY THE CHAIR MAKES THE, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT. OKAY. ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? I BELIEVE THAT THE NEXT MEETING DATE WILL BE WHEN THE COMMISSION MEETS AGAIN, CORRECT? 15. OKAY. OF JANUARY. CORRECT. WE'LL BE HERE BEFORE WE KNOW IT. IT WILL BE ALL RIGHT. UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.